tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23230416.post2319013452902876289..comments2008-08-06T14:23:40.991-07:00Cr@ighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06004865527640808734noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23230416.post-11015931278851926202008-08-06T14:23:00.000-07:002008-08-06T14:23:00.000-07:00TB,<BR/><BR/>Here is exactly what I said regarding my Jell-o analogy:<BR/><BR/> <B>Trying to pin Mormonism and its so-called prophets down on it's doctrine is equivilent to trying to nail Jell-o to the wall. Not going to happen.<BR/><BR/>Everytime you point out a lie, whitewash, misspeak, unfulfilled prophacy, discrepancy etc....Mormon's apologist merely jiggle and wiggle Mormonisms teachings and doctrines or imbarrassing beliefs by saying...Oh they were only speaking as a man not a prophet...or as GB Hinckley so famously stated on "Larry King Live" when asked directly if Mormon's believe that they can become God's. Hinckley said "Oh Larry I don't know that we teach that, its more of an old couplet"... WTF? My jaw literally fell to the ground when I heard my then so-called prophet LIE on national TV with my own ears.<BR/><BR/>So trying to get a Mormon to admit to it's bizaar doctrines...I'd have better luck licking that Jell-o off the floor...</B><BR/><BR/>Yes I stand by this Statement of mine.Cr@ighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06004865527640808734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23230416.post-58251991244885049782008-07-28T16:34:00.000-07:002008-07-28T16:34:00.000-07:00<B>TB Says: </B> Cr@ig, I recall you saying in the comments of a previous post something to the effect of 'establishing what is actual LDS doctrine is like nailing jelly to a wall'. I think there's a great deal of truth in that personally. But isn't it inconsistent to say that, but then to turn around and suggest there's some kind of list of things that must be believed by TBMs? The doctrines of Mormonism are either so clearly defined that one must believe them, as you suggest in this post, or they're amorphous and prone to revision, as your 'jelly on the wall' comment suggests. It can't be both.<BR/><BR/><B>Cr@ig’s Reply:</B> G’day and Welcome TB. And in these parts of the world we call it Jell-O. Now as to what I actually said… more or less… was that trying to get a “Mormon Apologist” to pin down Mormon doctrine is like nailing jell-O to the wall. However since I have no idea where I posted those comments (I do recall making them) I could be mistaken. But either way, Mormon doctrine is firm and fixed until it is backed into a corner…then it becomes very squishy. Take the proclamations of Mormon’s so-called prophets as an example. They are the mouth pieces of God…until their pronouncements are either found to be faulty or controversial…THEN...These subordinates of God become mere men…speaking as such…dare I say squishy. <BR/><BR/>With respect to my list…it is a list of things that “I” would have to believe in to again accept Mormonism…Most believing Mormon’s are unaware of most of these items that I currently have listed or will list in the future.Cr@ighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06004865527640808734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23230416.post-65492663066070515302008-07-28T15:44:00.000-07:002008-07-28T15:44:00.000-07:00Cr@ig, I recall you saying in the comments of a previous post something to the effect of 'establishing what is actual LDS doctrine is like nailing jelly to a wall'. I think there's a great deal of truth in that personally. But isn't it inconsistent to say that, but then to turn around and suggest there's some kind of list of things that must be believed by TBMs? The doctrines of Mormonism are either so clearly defined that one must believe them, as you suggest in this post, or they're amorphous and prone to revision, as your 'jelly on the wall' comment suggests. It can't be both.TBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23230416.post-68138298413839188822008-07-28T10:51:00.000-07:002008-07-28T10:51:00.000-07:00I believe Cr@ig mentioned that he was surprised at being excommunicated. This indicates (to me at least) that it was not adultery. <BR/><BR/>Maybe Cr@ig was excommunicated for being offended by someone or because he wanted to sin. Aren't those the only reasons people leave the church?<BR/><BR/>Remember, deep down inside, Cr@ig knows the church is true.<BR/><BR/>LOLBishop Rickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05385909789743073477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23230416.post-35652029734634192732008-07-28T08:06:00.000-07:002008-07-28T08:06:00.000-07:00<B> Anonymous Said</B>One more point you forgot, do you think that the Mormon Church should accept the doctrine of adultery for you to believe again? It seems that this was the root of your fall. Perhaps you could tell us in a little more detail about the fall.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Cr@ig’s Reply</B> LOL...So the brave sanctimonious anonymous poster “assumes” that I committed adultery, as IF that is the only offence one could commit to be excommunicated from the Mormon cult. Must I remind you that just 2 weeks ago, the cult excommunicated one of its members for merely publishing a calendar of topples men? Ohhh such a terrible excommunicable offence…fucking cult! Come out of your protective anonymity and let me kick your cyber-ass…But I won’t hold my breath.<BR/><BR/>It's SOOOO easy to dismiss me and my claims that Mormonism is a fraud if all you do is discount my message because I was excommunicated...then you have an excuse to stay within your Mormon mind control bubble and never examine the underbelly of Mormonism’s fraudulent foundational claims. <BR/><BR/>Follow the prophet ...He knows the way...even if that same so-called prophet has knowingly lied to support the fraud of his church....well if you want to blindly to be led with false hope...be my guest.Cr@ighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06004865527640808734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23230416.post-45082371571087789302008-07-27T07:34:00.000-07:002008-07-27T07:34:00.000-07:00One more point you forgot, do you think that the Mormon church should accept the doctrine of adultry for you to believe again? It seems that this was the root of your fall. Perhaps you could tell us in a little more detail about the fall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23230416.post-5674121639603237582008-07-26T21:46:00.000-07:002008-07-26T21:46:00.000-07:00Hey Craig,<BR/><BR/>How do you feel about people who leave the LDS and become Baptist, Catholic, etc? <BR/><BR/>To me, the funniest thing in the world is watching Evengelicals and Mormons debate each other. It's like debating whether Santa or the Easter Bunny is better. MY book of fairy tales is better than YOUR book of fairy tales! (Watching Jews and Muslims argue is pretty funny also)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23230416.post-60705881799724214132008-07-26T21:19:00.000-07:002008-07-26T21:19:00.000-07:00Hi Craig, I know people don't often leave comments, so I wanted you to know someone in cyberspace was reading. Sometime I'd like to read what you did that got you in trouble but made you open your eyes. How has your marriage handled all of your changes? I think you'd enjoy my blog, so check it out sometime.<BR/>www.celestialsex.blogspot.comMolly Mormonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09719626281365398791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23230416.post-73578272973187831242008-07-24T14:50:00.000-07:002008-07-24T14:50:00.000-07:00to see the LDS church gave you so much stress in your life. I am still a believer. Chack out my blog some time:<BR/>realmormonism.blogspot.comNephi Mormonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00263425799672201276noreply@blogger.com