Tuesday, June 03, 2008

Is the Book of Mormon Modern or Ancient

If the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be…a translation of ancient golden plates holding the religious history of the forefathers of the American Indians… then it’s version of Christ’s sermons, found in 3 Nephi , should be the most pure, direct copies of Christ’s sermons in existence. For it would not have gone through all the alterations and human errors that were inherent in the reproduction process that produced our current Bible. In other words the Book of Mormon was not exposed to the errors of men and had the added advantage of coming to man directly through the gift and power of God Himself or so Mormon's claim.

Because of the pure process that gave us the Book of Mormon, one would not expect to find any of the mistakes found in our current Bible’s rendering of Christ’s sermon….because the Book of Mormon was not dependant on the same process that gave us the Bible …right?

Prior to the printing of the Book of Mormon, mankind relied on ancient Greek manuscripts from the second century, translated, transcribed, added to, deleted from through 1000’s of human hands and 1000’s of years to give us the words of Christ. A comparison of the earliest copies of these Greek manuscripts to copies that followed, has shown that there were hundreds of changes, errors and additions from those early manuscripts. Because each of these changes occurred after the second century AD and after the events Mormon’s claim took place in America…one would NOT expect to find the same mistakes, changes and additions found in the Bible... in the Book of Mormon’s versions of His sermons.

But does this claim stand up to scrutiny?

Is the Book of Mormon an actual translation of the abridged written words of an ancient American prophet named Mormon or the product of a talented but flawed mind? Did Mormon abridge plates that he had inherited giving a purer version of Jesus Christ’s sermon or did Joseph Smith merely plagiarize and then change a few words around to produce his version of Christ’s sermon in order to give it the appearance of a translation?

A close examination of the various versions of the Lord’s Prayer as found in Matthew 6 shows some surprising revelations.

We are all familiar with the widely used King James Version (KJV) of the Lord’s Prayer and the one found in the Book of Mormon.

Our current KJV - Matthew 6:9-13

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.

And 3 Nephi 13:9-13

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.

Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.

It’s interesting to note that these two versions differ in several key areas. The Book of Mormon fails to include 2 sentences found in the common KJV of the Lord’s Prayer.

01. Thy kingdom come.
02. Give us this day our daily bread.

Are missing...

So are we to conclude that Christ did not say these words to the Nephites…or had men merely added these words in the many years since Christ had supposedly uttered these words to the masses in Galilee and the Book of Mormon represents a more pure form of Christ’s sermon?

But wait…there is more…our current Lord’s Prayer found in today’s KJV…is NOT the same as the original 1611 A.D. first edition copy of the KJV.

The Lord’s Prayer as it was originally printed in the 1611 A.D. KJV

“Our father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. “

Note that in the original KJV Both of the sentences left out of the Book of Mormon version were included in the KJV…but the last sentence …” For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen” is NOT found in the original first edition 1611 A.D. KJV.

It doesn’t take a Biblical scholar to see that this last line was added…in fact it started to show up in the versions of the KJV of the Bible in the 1700's and it is NOT present in ANY of the original Greek manuscripts.

A simple comparison of the 1611 AD KJV Bible and latter versions show that this line was added by “man” to the JKV of the Lord’s Prayer in the early 1700’s

But wait, there is still more…

An exact translation of the Lord’s Prayer from our earliest Original Greek Manuscripts into English… reads…

" Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,

your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one'

Note how both sentences removed from the Book of Mormon ARE found in translations from our earliest Greek Manuscripts…yet the Book of Mormon DOES include the sentence that Biblical scholar's have shown was added by man to the KJV in the 1600’s

So is the Book of Mormon what it claims to be?

If it IS a translation of ancient scripture…why does it include man-made additions from the 1700’s?

If it is a more pure rendering of Christ’s sermon, why doesn’t it include the same words given in our earliest Greek formats?

If during the translation process, Joseph took a short cut when he saw Christ familiar sermon being given again to the Nephites,(as mormon apologists claim) why did he remove those 2 sentences from the original Greek if he was trying to give a more pure form of Christ’s sermon and then leave in the man-made parts?


Anonymous said...

Okay, I would like to make a friendly proposal to your Kingdom of Cr@ig In The Middle...only if you approve since the buck stops with you in your own kingdom. There is no such thing as apostates in your kingdom, so those labeled as such are not commiting a crime by coming here.

I really enjoy your entertaining style of writing thus my checking for updates frequently. Plus, I think you seem like a person who is interested in getting to the bottom of things especially when it comes to facts. SOOOO,how about the first interactive episode of Cr@ig In The Middle "Reality Double Dare".

The rules are simple, no opinions posing as fact, no Debbie Downers. Sincere answers/commenters only. As for others that see the site or want to vent or have input, everyone is challenged to find out with FACTS only.

Here is how it would go:

There would be 3 (very general and simple yet thought provoking)yes or no questions each week for 1 month that would apply to those skeptical of religion in general.

Each week in addition to posting each audience member's answers to the 3 questions there would be a "Physical Challenge" pertaining to the content of the week's simple questions. The compilation of answers for the physical challenge would be summarized and posted on the following Monday.
(comments/questions/answers could be posted under Double Dare Wk 1, 2, 3 and so on...)

The fourth week of the month, there would be no questions from me and no physical challenge to the audience but there would be an open forum "Double Dare" directed at me from the entire pool of players that would require me to answer factually with proof for anything related that was asked or discussed. I commit to doing this.

I think the best way for everyone to learn is from facts and to avoid being polluted by a lot of opinions in the process, which also wastes a lot of time. There is only a compilation of knowledge to gain here, thus the "no Debbie Downer" rule. This could only result in a positive.

I will never run out of simple questions that could apply to concerns in everyone's life, so I would be interested in doing this ongoing if you are open to it.

Just send me a thumbs up if you're up to the challenge. :)

If you are absolutely not interested please also send up a signal. Wouldn't want to throw our pearls to swine now would we :)

Cr@ig said...

I have NO interest in playing your game. This blog is for MY personal Metal Health NOT for you to promote your version of christiaity. You are welcome to start your own blog...in fact I would encourage you to do so.

I have posted your question to send you a "SIGN" that I will not be playing your game. I have NO interest in Jehovia Witness's nor your agenda.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry I angered you and that was certainly not my intention. I have simply enjoyed and empathized reading someone's quest regarding truth and desire only facts myself, so my post was not packing a hidden agenda (or else it would obviously not be truth) nor was it based on one single religion.

It is frustrating that I truly want others' input about what is true and to share what I have with others, but I must declare this as proof...people "claim" to be searching yet turn away God when he is standing in their face...I did it.

But I promise you, just to show you, that I will pray to Jehovah tonight to send the angels to the witnesses and direct them to you with the EXACT piece of spiritual food that you need at that moment regardless of where you go. I know it will happen becuase I know Jehovah. If it does not happen within a week then that will be your proof.

I will not return or post anything else on your site, I just wanted to apologize.

Cr@ig said...


I'll take you at your word that you are a seeker of truth. How then did you ever get caught up in the Jehovah's Witness cult? The JW's are just another brand of man-made religion making promises that they can/will not deliver on. But hey whatever makes you happy.

Any religion that requires its members to suspend disbelief, to reject verifiable observable scientific truth such as evolution and old earth realities…is not something I have any interest. As well meaning as they may be…the JW’s belief system is NOT based in reality and as such is not based on verifiable truth standards. And since neither you or I can prove a negative…such as the existence of GOD…we would only be entering a discussion in futility.

This blog is not about the varsity of the JW’s, I don’t give a shit about JW’s…so please go peddle it door to door to those who also don’t want it…but don’t peddle it here…as I have slammed the door.

This is the LAST of your posts I will respond to...all others will be deleted, so save yourself some time.